tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post6672547269216720469..comments2024-03-17T03:13:30.842-04:00Comments on Roche Fleurie Garden: The Vagaries of Namesrochefleuriegardenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-61284700752081888242015-01-30T08:56:55.533-05:002015-01-30T08:56:55.533-05:00I love the local names for plants Alain, but find ...I love the local names for plants Alain, but find it difficult when looking at those from other countries, it's bad enough in the UK with some plants having numerous common names. Unfortunately now that the scientists have DNA analysis at their fingertips, I fear that we will only see more changes in plant taxonomy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-63198954789171258502015-01-28T11:43:42.422-05:002015-01-28T11:43:42.422-05:00I have the same problem with pictures of plants wh...I have the same problem with pictures of plants which I file alphabetically. However for vegetables I use the common name. It is a bit of a mess. rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-55297681353927374542015-01-28T08:34:37.383-05:002015-01-28T08:34:37.383-05:00On a personal level I have had to deal with this i...On a personal level I have had to deal with this issue in organizing my plant tags. I have a binder where they are all organized alphabetically. But I found I faced a dilemma. How to file them- by latin name or common name. The problem I found is that for the rarer plants I had yet to learn the latin name. So I organized those rarer plant tags by the common name. Not surprisingly I ended up with a mess. So now I have decided to do an index of common names and the corresponding latin ones. I plan to file all the tags by the latin name.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00116583212813729057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-55292459637771090062015-01-25T18:25:47.996-05:002015-01-25T18:25:47.996-05:00I am glad there is at least one other gardener who...I am glad there is at least one other gardener who uses the name Johnny Jump Up. It must be North American as a name. Like you, I prefer to use both the Latin and common names.rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-57472159599186418412015-01-25T16:57:15.443-05:002015-01-25T16:57:15.443-05:00I always said 'Johnny Jump Up'. I try to u...I always said 'Johnny Jump Up'. I try to use both the common and botanical names when I write. I find both fascinating, and like to learn about their origins. Good post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-29896726950851096142015-01-24T22:57:19.179-05:002015-01-24T22:57:19.179-05:00The same Latin name is often pronounced in differe...The same Latin name is often pronounced in different ways by different people. Just say it the way you think and don't give it a second thought!rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-85183751377354176972015-01-24T22:53:34.193-05:002015-01-24T22:53:34.193-05:00It is funny what one's mind find easier to rem...It is funny what one's mind find easier to remember. I realize that my mind is rather lazy. I often cannot quote the Latin name of a plant but remember enough of the first letters to look it up if need be! Very often the common French name is similar to the Latin one and it makes it easier to learn them together. rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-39897164015052965812015-01-24T21:29:01.352-05:002015-01-24T21:29:01.352-05:00Good point about all the levels of translations wi...Good point about all the levels of translations with the Lews and Clark Expedition! It must have been like the children's game of "Telephone," where a message starts at one end and travels through several people to the end. It's often totally different after going through several people. I'm so glad when people list nicknames and Latin when they describe plants. It helps! One funny thing is that sometimes I find it easier to remember the Latin names, and sometimes the common ones. Good topic!Beth at PlantPostingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10473637655960119672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-61155794036210748432015-01-24T14:48:33.496-05:002015-01-24T14:48:33.496-05:00I do use the Latin names but there is the odd occa...I do use the Latin names but there is the odd occasion where the common name slips in. The Viola Tricolor, I would just call Viola. Apologies for not saying so at the time Alain. <br />Whilst we are on the subject of names......I have enough trouble trying to pronounce the latin names in my head - most of which I am almost afraid to say out loud when I go plant shopping, adding the common names into the equation would send me into complete chaos! Angiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14682908724307784154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-91960794943587080792015-01-24T12:26:09.111-05:002015-01-24T12:26:09.111-05:00The Latin name is the only useful one but there is...The Latin name is the only useful one but there is poetry in the common names.rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-58209629601482925552015-01-24T12:24:27.637-05:002015-01-24T12:24:27.637-05:00Some simple, evocative names, like Iris stylosa g...Some simple, evocative names, like Iris stylosa got more difficult (now i. unguicularis). The old name can still be useful. For instance, I can never remember if it is Campanula portenschlagiana I have or C. Poscharskyana. I know it is the ones that used to be called muralis so I can look it up using that name!rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-70674081944677803372015-01-24T12:11:14.330-05:002015-01-24T12:11:14.330-05:00I know exactly what you mean. Keeping the Latin na...I know exactly what you mean. Keeping the Latin name, the English name and, in my case, the French name makes it more complicated. Although the latter is often close to the Latin (if the Latin has not been changed recently!).rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-11919760393393379132015-01-24T12:07:36.038-05:002015-01-24T12:07:36.038-05:00I suppose most are very localized names and that i...I suppose most are very localized names and that is why we have never heard them. I expect besides that many of the common names have a short life. There must have been many that were never recorded. I also like jack-jump-up-and-kiss-me but cannot imagine using it!rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-47711725404182678802015-01-24T11:59:52.365-05:002015-01-24T11:59:52.365-05:00Yes, they are interesting. Bee bum flower is a goo...Yes, they are interesting. Bee bum flower is a good one. I also like kiss-me-over-the-garden-gate which not only is funny but actually rather a good description of the plant.rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-34369593043973668932015-01-24T10:01:28.192-05:002015-01-24T10:01:28.192-05:00These names in English mean nothing for me, I pref...These names in English mean nothing for me, I prefer to know their Latin names. In Russian most of names are different and may be 2-4 names for one plant.Nadezdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08159291982383302922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-47602392715568213272015-01-24T05:38:42.270-05:002015-01-24T05:38:42.270-05:00Hello Alain, I've never heard of even one of t...Hello Alain, I've never heard of even one of those common names for viola tricolor! I tend to stick with botanical names to avoid confusion, but this isn't entirely safe either, with whole classes of plants being re-classified as scientific knowledge improves. What was once Dicentra Spectabilis is now Lamprocapnos Spectabilis (Bleeding Hearts or Dutchman's Breeches). How is one to keep up?Sunil Patelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17998062749546109287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-65440075942066250092015-01-24T05:22:37.634-05:002015-01-24T05:22:37.634-05:00I love the common names of plants but use mostly t...I love the common names of plants but use mostly the Latin names, certainly on my blog, for adding Dutch common names makes it even more complicated. For instance, field poppies we call ´klaprozen´.Janneke https://www.blogger.com/profile/11056916431881916066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-29765367476922515652015-01-24T04:52:10.161-05:002015-01-24T04:52:10.161-05:00It is interesting to wonder how all these names ap...It is interesting to wonder how all these names appeared. Some of them are very sweet. I rather liked jack-jump-up-and-kiss-me although I had NEVER heard that one before.DHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14199859409385042568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-24370680587717559462015-01-24T04:02:26.919-05:002015-01-24T04:02:26.919-05:00I love common names. For example they are often so...I love common names. For example they are often so evocative of old places, country ways and customs and observed natural history. How about 'bee bum flower' which is an old name for the Hymalayan balsam.<br />But so confusing. I used to tell my students that in the UK marigold was the name for both calendula and tagetes. I then move to my present home and the farmer has 'corn marigolds' in his field and they are annual chrysanthemums!Roger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-34937222433344712812015-01-23T19:59:13.894-05:002015-01-23T19:59:13.894-05:00I became fluent in English only around age 23 or 2...I became fluent in English only around age 23 or 24. I am sure that influences the way I speak (and write)!rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-71691458757125722762015-01-23T19:56:49.320-05:002015-01-23T19:56:49.320-05:00They are Shirley poppies but all the names mention...They are Shirley poppies but all the names mentioned are used for papaver rhoas.rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-13138879938539882812015-01-23T19:54:12.119-05:002015-01-23T19:54:12.119-05:00From a practical point of view, we obviously have ...From a practical point of view, we obviously have to stick to scientific names but I like knowing the common names and see how different they are from place to place. rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-84667961758884878992015-01-23T19:50:57.716-05:002015-01-23T19:50:57.716-05:00I have also noticed a lot of changes in taxonomy. ...I have also noticed a lot of changes in taxonomy. Many of the old familiar names will have to be forgotten.rochefleuriegardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783773632775842680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-89092420026319960682015-01-23T09:27:38.275-05:002015-01-23T09:27:38.275-05:00I love to listen to you talk; I'm only good fo...I love to listen to you talk; I'm only good for looking at the flowers blooming. Will it ever be spring?Joanne Noragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09834682329952369721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3890786265475429448.post-31238798331073135342015-01-23T09:13:57.628-05:002015-01-23T09:13:57.628-05:00I've never heard of anything called Dusty Mill...I've never heard of anything called Dusty Miller. I'd also stick with viola. I'd never heard of Johny-Jump-Ups either. I've heard mountain ash and rowan both used. As for the poppy maybe cornfield poppy or common poppy or native poppy for the red poppy that grows wild here - it's also the one associated with Flanders but those in the photo look like cultivated poppies that I would call Shirley poppies. One weed with the most names I've heard if is cleavers ior goosegrass,Sue Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164518448098182276noreply@blogger.com